Fun With Fallacies 1: I feel sorry for Angus

No true ScotsmanPoor Groundskeeper Willie, not only is he forced to live in a shed, he can’t put sugar on his porridge either. The “No true Scotsman” fallacy is a classic and it gets the name from the following “discussion”:

Player 1: No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge

Player 2: My friend Angus is from Scotland and puts sugar on his porridge

Player 1: Well, no TRUE Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge

Usually, this fallacy happens when someone is trying to distance themselves from facts that undermine their argument or position. As I’m sure you remember from my post on basic logic, if premises are proven not to be true, then the conclusions are invalid. This goes to both soundness and validity in that, if premises are proven untrue, then the argument is invalid, and if empirical observation contradicts the argument, then it is also not sound; in short, it is a poor argument.

The fun version:

Player 1: Feminism is about equality of the sexes

Player 2: Valerie Solanas is a feminist and she wants to kill men.

Player 1: Then she’s obviously not a real feminist.

4 comments on “Fun With Fallacies 1: I feel sorry for Angus

  1. […] post in the fun with fallacies series, Angus is very grateful. For those who did not, the “No true Scotsman” is a fallacy with many uses, where most of them are very useful for confusing both an […]

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  2. Player 1: Feminism is about equality of the sexes

    Player 2: Valerie Solanas is a feminist and she wants to kill men.

    Player 1: Then she’s obviously not a real feminist.

    Given your Right Wing political beliefs – funny. However, this is very iffy in being a fallacy, I don’t think it is an NTS fallacy.

    If P1 is true [Feminism is defined as “equality of the sexes”] and this statement is true

    then if

    Valerie Solanas really does wish to kill all men

    then she is not a Feminist.

    And stating this does NOT mean NTS fallacy.

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    • Reading Moron says:

      Damn Reading Nomad, you’ve been at this whole defence of leftists thing a long time. Nearly two years now along with your recent garbage posts at Quillette. For a guy that is allegedly “neutral” and allegedly against the left, you sure have been consistent in solely voicing views against anyone that dares criticizes the left. Almost as if you are a full of shit :^)

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      • @ Reading Moron

        “Reading Moron”

        Nice! You are at least on the right site for petty name-calling. And I like how cowardly this response is.

        “Nearly two years now along with your recent garbage posts at Quillette.”

        If any of my posts really were “garbage” then you have replied there. Likely you did, and you got a hard verbal smack-down. Hence I like how you are here bleating about it…

        This is just wonderful. I can do this all day.

        – –

        “For a guy that is allegedly “neutral””

        Never claimed it. Not once. There is no such thing.

        “and allegedly against the left”

        Yes. But only as far as the Post Modern Left goes. Old style left – likely not. I consider myself to be either Red Tory or Blue Labour. However, socially far more conservative than politically.

        – –

        ” you sure have been consistent in solely voicing views against anyone that dares criticizes the left.”

        You mean you said something daft and I smacked you down! Lol! Otherwise, I have written reams in support of good solid Conservative ideas. But this is personal, so of course you will be dishonest about it.

        “Almost as if you are a full of shit :^)”

        I was and I will be. And? It is just a fact of life. Get over it.

        – –

        Oh and sweetheart – the above post is NOT in defence of the Left. It is about correcting someone’s incorrect logic.

        But:

        1. I possess far more knowledge.
        2. Clearly better educated.
        3. Higher IQ.

        So, of course, after besting you at Quillette, you would bleat about it! You have made my week.

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